Thanks all, for your thoughts. This bird was bigger than the Blue Jay it
was eating-I definitely got a sense of a bigger bird than any Sharpie I've
seen(not too many). It was not delicate.
I added another picture showing the wings up and tail length better:

http://galleries.creaturekinships.com/?p=963

Cynthia Crawford

*Creature Kinships and Natural Affinities*
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On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Lila Ollmann <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I think only Cynthia saw it in person.. Do you think that a female
> Cooper's hawk couldn't be mistaken for a Sharpie even in photos? That's
> good info on the size difference between male and female Coopers vs.
> Sharp-shinned.   If you saw them side by side I guess it would be easy to
> tell! Or even chasing a Blue Jay!
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 12:04 PM, david merker <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I'm going with a male coopers hawk. The way I tell is 1. Someone thought
>> it might be a sharpie, that makes it a male, because female coops could not
>> be mistaken for a sharpie. 2. it has feet that actually look like they can
>> do some damage, sharpies feet do not have that look. Also its broad across
>> the shoulders. Sharpies are slight across the shoulders
>>
>> "small male Coopers Hawk can be the same size as a large female Sharpie".
>>
>> Reality is that they could LOOK (in flight only) to appear to be about
>> the same size, in reality (measurements and weight), they aren't that
>> close. The small male coops out weighing the large female sharpie on
>> average by almost 100g+. Average female ss 167g Average male coops 343g.
>>
>> The low mass for male coops is no lower than ~300g
>> The highest mass for female sharpie is no higher than~202
>>
>> Thats my take on it :o)
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave Merker
>> Etna, New Hampshire
>> Cape May Raptor Banding Project Inc.
>> www.capemayraptors.org
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 11:38:14 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [UVB] Hawk attack
>> From: [log in to unmask]
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>
>>
>> http://galleries.creaturekinships.com/?p=963
>>
>> i guess her link was in another post..
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 11:34 AM, david merker <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> where is the picture of this bird, can you send it to me? Thanks
>>
>>
>> Dave Merker
>> Etna, New Hampshire
>> Cape May Raptor Banding Project Inc.
>> www.capemayraptors.org
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 11:32:09 -0500
>> From: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [UVB] Hawk attack
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>
>>
>> The shoulders look massive.. I've seen a sharpie chasing a Blue Jay and
>> got pictures, and the Sharpie was NO bigger than the Blue Jay! Just from
>> looks I guess it's most confusing because a small male Coopers Hawk can be
>> the same size as a large female Sharpie.. But the sound seems like a good
>> clue! I think of Coopers Hawks as saying "Kek-Kek" and Sharpies something
>> more like 'Que Que".. but don' t have much experience comparing the
>> sounds..
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 9:29 AM, cynthia crawford <
>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Vic, for that affirmation, but I have to say, I am not an expert
>> ant hawk i.d.  I think there is some chance this bird might be a
>> Sharp-shinned Hawk. I based my decision on what looks like a larger head,
>> and perhaps a larger bird, a longish rounded tail, and, probably a young
>> bird as the eye is still yellow and the coloring is brownish. The angle of
>> view in my pictures could be deceptive. I would expect an expert might even
>> have more to say.  I also hear some "kik" calls -I interrupted this birds
>> meal and got scolded!
>>
>> Interesting that Blue Jays are getting hit-we have many of them this
>> year-sometimes 17+ at a time.  That is unusual where I live.
>>
>> Cynthia Crawford
>>
>> *Creature Kinships and Natural Affinities*
>> Animal and Nature Paintings, Portraits and Prints
>> www.creaturekinships.com
>> MORE PHOTOS and ARTWORK: http://pbase.com/creaturekinships
>> EVEN MORE PHOTOS: https://www.flickr.com/photos/33836164@N03/
>>
>> BLOG: http://creature-kinships.blogspot.com/
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:32 AM, Victor Henningsen <
>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> Meant to post this earlier.  Last Friday morning, the 9th, we watched for
>> almost two hours as a hawk calmly devoured a hapless blue jay underneath a
>> feeder we hang from an apple tree.  We don't have a decent camera but were
>> able to spend a good bit of time with binoculars and scope watching the
>> event.  Based on white speckles on the scapulars, we tentatively identified
>> the culprit as a juvenile red tail. But Cynthia Crawford's post and
>> pictures this morning sent us back to our guides and field notes.  Based on
>> a closer reading of bird behavior and feeding habits and a review of our
>> field notes, we now believe what we saw was a juvenile Cooper's Hawk,
>> particularly given that one mark we noted clearly was that the tip of its
>> bill was dark, almost black.  The only remaining doubt is that the tail of
>> the bird we saw didn't look as long as the guides indicate for the
>> Cooper's. But Cynthia's pictures resemble the bird we saw and, bowing to
>> her superior expertise, we'll revise our log.  We need to get a decent
>> camera!
>>
>> Either way it was a dramatic event. Nothing left at the end of the meal
>> but a few feathers — not even a stray bone. Felt bad eating breakfast while
>> this was going on outside the window, but the  chickadees continued to
>> frequent the feeder during the latter part of the feast, so we weren't
>> alone.
>>
>> This listserv is enormously useful for those of us who are what might
>> charitably be called "emerging birders."  Thanks to those who post to it
>> and maintain it.
>>
>> Vic Henningsen
>> Thetford Center
>>
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