I never encounter the use of "Saya" in the context of Master-Slave
relationship. The word "Hamba" is usually used. When "Sahaya/Saya" used to
address a feudal master, it is the same as using it to address a Kepala
kampung or university rector in contemporary Indonesia: Formality's sake.
-Saut Situmorang
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> Topics of the day:
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> 1. saya vs. aku (5)
> 2. BAHASA Digest - 28 Jul 2013 to 29 Jul 2013 (#2013-7)
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> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 12:05:47 +0700
> From: E B <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: saya vs. aku
>
> Doesn't "saya" have an etymology of meaning "slave" or "servant", the same
> way the "abdi" can mean "servant" or "I" in Javanese?
>
> In Malay, they often just use "I" instead of "saya". One could probably
> get away with that in Indonesia; but I haven't tried it, yet.
>
> Those are very good links (
> http://www.ausdag.blogspot.com.au/search/label/Aku%20dan%20Saya &
>
> http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php/20880-Bahasa-Kita?p=221283&viewfull=1#post221283
> & http://bahasakita.com/pronoun-substitutes/ )
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> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 16:18:46 +0900
> From: AJIEK KUSHAJATIE <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: saya vs. aku
>
> SAYA is formal
> AKU is imformal
>
> Also, SAYA is when you talk with elder people and people you respect.
> AKU use to friends ....
>
> Good luck ...
>
> Ajiek Kushajatie Stoneman
> Tokyo - Japan
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> On 30 Jul 2013, at 04:21, Jody Diamond <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> > diamond
> >
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> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 18:13:26 +0700
> From: Saut Situmorang <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: BAHASA Digest - 28 Jul 2013 to 29 Jul 2013 (#2013-7)
>
> When using "Indonesian" language (NOT "Bahasa" Indonesia!), "Saya" is
> usually used in a formal context and when speaking to someone much older in
> age (especially one that you do not know that well) than you. Outside of
> these (including in literary works), most Indonesians like myself use
> "Aku". In the eastern part of Indonesia (Maluku and Papua), people use
> "Beta" for both.
>
> -Saut Situmorang
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:01 AM, BAHASA automatic digest system <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> > There are 2 messages totaling 87 lines in this issue.
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> > Topics of the day:
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> > 1. saya vs. aku (2)
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> >
> > Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 19:21:49 +0000
> > From: Jody Diamond <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: saya vs. aku
> >
> > Is there a general rule or preferred practice for using either saya or
> aku
> > as the first person pronoun? I have heard many opinions on this. Is one
> > better for writing, another for conversation?
> >
> > Pendapat welcome.
> > jody diamond
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 19:47:10 -0700
> > From: David Goldsworthy <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: Re: saya vs. aku
> >
> > Depends on regional context. I don't know about the rest of the country,
> > but I learnt from experience that in Central Java aku, in spoken
> > Indonesian, still retains its Javanese nuances for many if not most
> > Javanese and thus should be avoided in favour of saya when addressing
> > someone to whom you would not use 'aku' if speaking Javanese. So in that
> > respect, it is not interchangeable with saya, not in Central Java anyway.
> > In pure, non-regionalised bahasa baku, aku seems most prevalent in poetry
> > and popular lyrics.
> > http://www.ausdag.blogspot.com.au/search/label/Aku%20dan%20Saya
> >
> > DavidG
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Jody Diamond <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 30 July 2013 5:21 AM
> > Subject: saya vs. aku
> >
> >
> > Is there a general rule or preferred practice for using either saya or
> aku
> > as the first person pronoun? I have heard many opinions on this. Is one
> > better for writing, a
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> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 23:32:33 +0900
> From: Ajiek Kushajatie <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: saya vs. aku
>
> You are right, SAYA was from the word SAHAYA, means SLAVE.
>
> The old days, when we speak to people of a very high ranking or to a king,
> we have to call ourself with SAHAYA.
>
> Then, in Bahasa Melayu (Indonesian) we shorten it became SAYA.
>
> The same with the words SAHAJA -- > SAJA and BAHARU ---> BARU and
> DAHULU --> DULU.
>
> All the best,
> Ajiek Stoneman, Tokyo
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>
>
> On Jul 30, 2013, at 2:05 PM, E B <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Doesn't "saya" have an etymology of meaning "slave" or "servant", the
> same way the "abdi" can mean "servant" or "I" in Javanese?
> >
> > In Malay, they often just use "I" instead of "saya". One could probably
> get away with that in Indonesia; but I haven't tried it, yet.
> >
> > Those are very good links (
> http://www.ausdag.blogspot.com.au/search/label/Aku%20dan%20Saya &
> http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php/20880-Bahasa-Kita?p=221283&viewfull=1#post221283 &
> http://bahasakita.com/pronoun-substitutes/ )
>
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> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 19:13:09 -0400
> From: Sri Wilkinson <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: saya vs. aku
>
> Hallo there
>
> 'Saya' is used in a formal situation/context, it is also used when you
> speak/write to a person you respect or should respect ( including the
> eldery, people in authority and people consider in higher position). As
> Indonesians consider the eldery, people in authority and people in higher
> position should be respected and should be spoken to in a formal way,
> therefore you should address yourself with 'saya'.
>
> 'Aku' is used in an informal situation/context; between friends and equals.
>
> I hope this answers your question.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Sri Wilkinson
>
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>
> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2013 19:28:15 -0400
> From: Sri Wilkinson <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: saya vs. aku
>
> Dear Jody
>
> 'Saya' is used in a formal situation/context. It is also used to
> speak/write to a person/people you respect or should respect (the eldery,
> people in authority and your senior/people in higher position). As
> Indonesians consider the eldery, people in authority and people in high
> position should be respected and should be spoken in a formal way
> therefore you should ddressed yourself with personal pronoun 'saya'.
>
> I hope this answers your question.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Sri Wilkinson
>
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