I never encounter the use of "Saya" in the context of Master-Slave relationship. The word "Hamba" is usually used. When "Sahaya/Saya" used to address a feudal master, it is the same as using it to address a Kepala kampung or university rector in contemporary Indonesia: Formality's sake.

-Saut Situmorang


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Date:    Tue, 30 Jul 2013 12:05:47 +0700
From:    E B <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: saya vs. aku

Doesn't "saya" have an etymology of meaning "slave" or "servant", the same
way the "abdi" can mean "servant" or "I" in Javanese?

In Malay, they often just use "I" instead of  "saya". One could probably
get away with that in Indonesia; but I haven't tried it, yet.

Those are very good links (
http://www.ausdag.blogspot.com.au/search/label/Aku%20dan%20Saya &
http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php/20880-Bahasa-Kita?p=221283&viewfull=1#post221283
& http://bahasakita.com/pronoun-substitutes/ )

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Date:    Tue, 30 Jul 2013 16:18:46 +0900
From:    AJIEK KUSHAJATIE <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: saya vs. aku

SAYA is formal
AKU is imformal

Also, SAYA is when you talk with elder people and people you respect.
AKU use to friends ....

Good luck ...

Ajiek Kushajatie Stoneman
Tokyo - Japan
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On 30 Jul 2013, at 04:21, Jody Diamond <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

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Date:    Tue, 30 Jul 2013 18:13:26 +0700
From:    Saut Situmorang <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: BAHASA Digest - 28 Jul 2013 to 29 Jul 2013 (#2013-7)

When using "Indonesian" language (NOT "Bahasa" Indonesia!), "Saya" is
usually used in a formal context and when speaking to someone much older in
age (especially one that you do not know that well) than you. Outside of
these (including in literary works), most Indonesians like myself use
"Aku". In the eastern part of Indonesia (Maluku and Papua), people use
"Beta" for both.

-Saut Situmorang


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> Date:    Mon, 29 Jul 2013 19:21:49 +0000
> From:    Jody Diamond <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: saya vs. aku
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> Is there a general rule or preferred practice for using either saya or aku
> as the first person pronoun? I have heard many opinions on this. Is one
> better for writing, another for conversation?
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> Pendapat welcome.
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> Date:    Mon, 29 Jul 2013 19:47:10 -0700
> From:    David Goldsworthy <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: saya vs. aku
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> Depends on regional context. I don't know about the rest of the country,
> but I learnt from experience that in Central Java aku, in spoken
> Indonesian, still retains its Javanese nuances for many if not most
> Javanese and thus should be avoided in favour of saya when addressing
> someone to whom you would not use 'aku' if speaking Javanese. So in that
> respect, it is not interchangeable with saya, not in Central Java anyway.
> In pure, non-regionalised bahasa baku, aku seems most prevalent in poetry
> and popular lyrics.
> http://www.ausdag.blogspot.com.au/search/label/Aku%20dan%20Saya
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> DavidG
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> Is there a general rule or preferred practice for using either saya or aku
> as the first person pronoun? I have heard many opinions on this. Is one
> better for writing, a
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Date:    Tue, 30 Jul 2013 23:32:33 +0900
From:    Ajiek Kushajatie <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: saya vs. aku

You are right, SAYA was from the word SAHAYA, means SLAVE.

The old days, when we speak to people of a very high ranking or to a king, we have to call ourself with SAHAYA.

Then, in Bahasa Melayu (Indonesian) we shorten it became SAYA.

The  same with the words SAHAJA  -- >  SAJA and BAHARU ---> BARU  and DAHULU --> DULU.

All the best,
Ajiek Stoneman, Tokyo
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On Jul 30, 2013, at 2:05 PM, E B <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Doesn't "saya" have an etymology of meaning "slave" or "servant", the same way the "abdi" can mean "servant" or "I" in Javanese?
>
> In Malay, they often just use "I" instead of  "saya". One could probably get away with that in Indonesia; but I haven't tried it, yet.
>
> Those are very good links ( http://www.ausdag.blogspot.com.au/search/label/Aku%20dan%20Saya & http://www.livinginindonesiaforum.org/showthread.php/20880-Bahasa-Kita?p=221283&viewfull=1#post221283  & http://bahasakita.com/pronoun-substitutes/ )

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Date:    Tue, 30 Jul 2013 19:13:09 -0400
From:    Sri Wilkinson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: saya vs. aku

Hallo there

'Saya' is used in a formal situation/context, it is also used when you speak/write to  a person you respect or should respect ( including the eldery, people in authority and people consider in higher position).  As Indonesians consider the eldery, people in authority and people in higher position should be respected and should be spoken to in a formal way, therefore you should address yourself with 'saya'.

'Aku' is used in an informal situation/context; between friends and equals.

I hope this answers your question.

Best wishes,

Sri Wilkinson

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Date:    Tue, 30 Jul 2013 19:28:15 -0400
From:    Sri Wilkinson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: saya vs. aku

Dear Jody

'Saya' is used in a formal situation/context. It is also used to speak/write  to a person/people you respect or should respect (the eldery, people in authority and your senior/people in higher position). As Indonesians consider the eldery, people in authority and people in high position should be respected and should be spoken in a formal way  therefore you should ddressed yourself with personal pronoun 'saya'.

I hope this answers your question.

Kind regards,

Sri Wilkinson

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