On 12/gen/2011, at 12.25, Alan & Elaine wrote: > I'm coming into this exchange in midstream, so possibly my comments are obsolete, but it seems to me some of your problems might be symptomatic of a dying pram battery. ... do pram batteries still exist? in laptops too? :-0 anyway... possible but very unlikely as I see the same simptoms on two different Macs and... since day one :-/ -- paolo