On 12/gen/2011, at 12.25, Alan & Elaine wrote:

> I'm coming into this exchange in midstream, so possibly my comments are obsolete, but it seems to me some of your problems might be symptomatic of a dying pram battery. 

... do pram batteries still exist? in laptops too? :-0

anyway... possible but very unlikely as I see the same simptoms on two different Macs and... since day one :-/
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paolo