Hei Andrus

Andrus wrote:
> What I notice is that you say the .txt format, but in my world, that 
> means absolutely no format-- just ascii characters.  But, there may be 
> mismatch between the file name (i.e. .txt extension) and whether it was 
> truly saved as plain text by Nisus.  Merely changing the name doesn't 
> change the contents, though it may determine how the contents are 
> treated.  Typically by choosing the file type to save as auto adjusts 
> the file name extension.  TextEdit can change type face and size, and 
> even bold etc., but it applies to the whole document, and is NOT saved, 
> though you can changed user settings defaults for viewing plain text files.

Hm, you may have a point there, but then I don't quite understand how 
and why both Bean and NWP - and not to speak of the real texteditors 
like BBEdit and TexEdit Plus - can make new .txt files including bold, 
italics, bold-italics and normal text and then save with these std. 
formattings... - And then also why can't I/we use any other font than 
the Times/Times New Roman? - both Arial, Helvetica and Monaco also 
contain the full ASCII tables as well.

And if I understand the 'ASCII problem' right fonts should be changed to 
a real ASCII fonts like Monaco, Andale or similar - not to Times/TNR, 
since they are built over the original ASCII fonts with same names...

> Do you perchance have the file name extensions turned off from showing 
> all the time?  If so, you could quickly become hopelessly confused.  I 
> have just resorted to having them show all the time, ugly as they may 
> seem to a Mac user, but I don't have to deal with this sort of confusion...

No, I have file extensons enabled as default in all applications.

> Does this help any?

A bit - though I'd prefer to keep the .txt format because I use these 
files as 'intro files' in some of my media players in both OS X and 
WinXP Pro - such as MPlayer Extended (OS X) and WinAmp/VLC (Win), so 
that these files will open when dragging a folder with all content onto 
these apps. No media applications are able to read and/or translate .rtf 
- only .txt, so I'll guess that I have to keep the .txt files intact and 
then just add a .rtf file with same content for 'off-line' reading - 
i.e. for normal opening with a double-click...

Cheers, Erik Richard

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> On 2010 Nov 24, Wed, at 3:36 pm, Erik Richard Sørensen wrote:
>> Sometimes I receive some documents in the .txt format.
>>
>> Normally I open these files in NWP (latest), and nearly everytime 
>> these are containg plain text in Times 12p - a very few times also 
>> Times New Roman 12p...
>>
>> Documents are not 'Read Only' or in any other way locked.
>>
>> Sometimes I need to edit these files, but keep the .txt format. This I 
>> do in NWP such as changing font to Arial 13p instead which is quite a 
>> lot more readable for me than the Times fonts. - Also I change some of 
>> the text content such as adding or removing partial text, paragraphs, 
>> sedctions etc.etc..
>>
>> Hitting the COM+S of course saves the changes - at least so I 
>> thought... But sure it doesn't.:-(! The only things that is changed is 
>> if I remove part of the text - such as a paragraph. Added or changed 
>> paragraphs aren't savbed, font changes aren't saved, margin changes 
>> aren't saved, header/footer changes aren't saved.
>>
>> I also have tried to use the 'Save As' and created a new .txt file... 
>> Result is the same as above - only deleted text parts are 'saved' - 
>> i.e. the removed text is no more in the file.
>>
>> Creating a new blank document and then copy+paste the text from the 
>> original .txt document, use save as... Exactly same result... - Only 
>> deleted/removed text are gone. Fonts, sizes, styles, formatting are 
>> exactly as the original document.
>>
>> Opening these .txt docs in BBEdit 8.5.x tells that all files are 
>> created with MSO Word2003 or Word2007 using Times 11p or Times New 
>> Roman 11p.
>>
>> Saving docs in either .doc, docx or .rtf save and keep any of my 
>> changes exactly as I've set them.
>>
>> OK, now it's beginning to be 'funny'... Opening these .txt files in 
>> Word2008 for Mac, making the changes and then just hit COM+S saves 
>> _any_ changes!
>>
>> OK, over again... Opening the files in TextEdit, making the changes, 
>> hitting COM+S _doesnot_ keep changes except deleted text.
>>
>> OK, once more... Opening the files in Bean 2.4.x, making the changes, 
>> hitting COM+S _doesnot_ keep any changes except deleted text.
>>
>> OK, twice more - opening in BBEdit 8.5 as well as TextEdit Plus, 
>> making the changes, hitting COM+S in BBE and COM+SHIFT+S in TEP, - no 
>> changes are kept except deleted text...
>>
>> OK, last try... Opening and editing the files in OpenOffice 3.2.1, 
>> hitting the COM+S _doesnot_ save any changes either - except deleted 
>> text...
>>
>> ...Then I gave up.:-( - And began to save the files into .rtf....
>>
>> ...What the neat nice Nisus is wrong with these .txt files...???
>>
>> PS. Creating new documents in NWP and then copy and paste any text 
>> from any documents except those received via the internet, editing and 
>> then saving in .txt format using 'Save AS' works just normal in NWP.

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