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Hei Geoff

Geoffrey Heard wrote:
> What you are writing about would, indeed, be desirable. I'm hoping to 
> see it in NWP 3.

Why not already in a main upgrade to ver. 2.5.:-=?

> In the meantime, the best solution for you might be to do what I do with 
> my invoices set up in NWP -- I simply copy and paste the table.

Yes, this /is/ possible if you're working with fixed table sizes, but 
mine can vary from only 12 rows to more than 10.000. And it isnot 
possible to split one big table consisting of 2-3 columns into more 
rows. - I have tried..-( - So as answered to Heinz I've decided to make 
smaller tables with only 500 rows each but still in the same document.

> I have two dummy pages set up with my two forms of invoice on them. That 
> is the table and other non-varying parts and a "Page break" included. I 
> have a docujment whoch is my invoices and I copy and paste from the 
> dummy thus maintaining the measurements on each new page (with the 
> included Page Break creating a new blank page each time ready for the 
> next insertion).

For making invoices I used to use Filemaker Pro when I had my own 
company. - I.e. everyting was made in FMP at that time such as customer 
base, account managing, spreadsheet, stock base, so it was easy to 
combine anything if needed... - OK, at that time FMP was far much easier 
to use than now... the newer FMP do indeed have rather steep learning 
curves...

Cheers, Erik Richard

> At 2:14 PM +0200 25/5/12, Erik Richard Sørensen wrote:
>> Hamid Haji wrote:
>>> On 25 May 2012, at 07:15, AlanD wrote:
>>>
>>>> I spent hours yesterday, like you, in Nisus 1.4.2, looking 
>>>> everywhere for the means of converting layout measurements. I 
>>>> eventually found it where I ought to have looked in the first place: 
>>>> Main Nisus Menu/View/Rulers - cm, in, mm, pc, pt.
>>> [...]
>>> There is a very useful unit converter with NRuler app, which allows 
>>> the user to see the values of all measurement units - pixels, inches, 
>>> centimetres, picas, and points - simultaneously as you enter the 
>>> value of any one unit.
>>>
>>> http://noutash.com/freebies/nruler/
>>>
>>> Application menus and shortcuts can be viewed in NRuler's preferences.
>>>
>>> Unit Convertor is invoked with Command-u.
>>
>> Hm... But neither Alans nor NRuler helps here...
>>
>> What I was looking for is a possibility to _change_ the colum sizes 
>> just by entering a given value, so all tables have same column sizes 
>> instead of just dragging column separators left<->right in a table.
>>
>> I mostly work with two types of tables
>> 1. A 2-column table where column 1 must be 2 cm and the rest  -17 cm - 
>> of the page width to column 2.
>> 2. A 3-column table where column 1 and 2 must be (apprx.) 8,5cm each 
>> and column 3 - again - must be 2 cm
>>
>> visualization...
>> Table 1: (here 3 independant tables)
>> Column 1    Column 2
>> xxxxxxxxx   xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Column 1    Column 2
>> xxxxxxxxx   xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Column 1    Column 2
>> xxxxxxxxx   xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> Table 2
>> Column 1               Column 2               Column 3
>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx   xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx   xxxxxxxxx
>> Column 1               Column 2               Column 3
>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx   xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx   xxxxxxxxx
>> Column 1               Column 2               Column 3
>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx   xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx   xxxxxxxxx
>>
>> It doesnot look good that the tables may be showing up like this when 
>> they are placed just underneath each others
>> Table 1: (here 3 independant tables)
>> Column 1    Column 2
>> xxxxxxxxx   xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Column 1    Column 2
>> xxxxxxxx   xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Column 1    Column 2
>> xxxxxxxxxx   xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> It would be very nice to have a feature in 'Table' like the one in 
>> 'Column' settings under the text part where you can define the column 
>> width in cm/inch as you like it.
>>
>> The function of setting a column width in a table is implemented as 
>> standard in most other textprocessors like Word Mac/Win, OpenOffice, 
>> NeoOffice, LibreOffice and StarOffice Mac/Win.
>>
>> In alle those you just click on 'Define Table' -> 'Column Width' and 
>> enter a value for each column - click OK/Define - and the columns are 
>> set. This you can do for each table in a multi-table document so all 
>> tables defined have the exact same with for the columns
>>
>> In NWP I enter lot of one-line texts (music library). such a one-line 
>> text can hold 3 or more information. Each information separated by a 
>> tab-stop. Using the NWP feature 'Convert to Table' will then change 
>> the text into a finished table.
>>
>> Example:
>> 2001    The Art Of Old-Time Mountain Music
>>    01    Old Molly Hare    Haywood Blevins
>>    02    Old Blind Sow, She Stole The Middlins    John W. Summers
>>    03    The High Toned Dance    Glenn Ohrlin
>>    04    Po' Black Sheep    Frazier & Patterson
>>
>> Using the 'Convert to Table' will make the finished table look like 
>> this. Digits 1-4 refer to amount of columns...
>>
>> 1   2     3                               4
>> 2001      The Art Of Old-Time Mountain Music
>>     01    Old Molly Hare                  Haywood Blevins
>>     02    Old Blind Sow, She Stole
>>           The Middlins                    John W. Summers
>>     03    The High Toned Dance            Glenn Ohrlin
>>     04    Po' Black Sheep                 Frazier & Patterson
>>
>> First raw contains year of release and album title
>> Next raws contain (1)empty, (2)track number, (3)track title and 
>> (4)artist.
>>
>> In this table here the widths are 1=2,0 cm, 2=1,0 cm, 3=8,0 cm, 4=8,0 cm
>>
>> In some very old recordings recording year is added after either 
>> artist or track title. In this case I add one more tab-stop which adds 
>> a column 5=2,0 cm.
>>
>> ...But, but...I still have to drag the widths instead of just 
>> selecting a 'Define Width' and enter the value.:-(
>>
>> OK... There is one solution... I could make the work in OpenOffice - 
>> either in OOWriter or OOSpreadSheet, save as OOo template and then 
>> re-open in NWP and save as RTF, but I count this as double-work...

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