Hei Andrus Andrus wrote: > What I notice is that you say the .txt format, but in my world, that > means absolutely no format-- just ascii characters. But, there may be > mismatch between the file name (i.e. .txt extension) and whether it was > truly saved as plain text by Nisus. Merely changing the name doesn't > change the contents, though it may determine how the contents are > treated. Typically by choosing the file type to save as auto adjusts > the file name extension. TextEdit can change type face and size, and > even bold etc., but it applies to the whole document, and is NOT saved, > though you can changed user settings defaults for viewing plain text files. Hm, you may have a point there, but then I don't quite understand how and why both Bean and NWP - and not to speak of the real texteditors like BBEdit and TexEdit Plus - can make new .txt files including bold, italics, bold-italics and normal text and then save with these std. formattings... - And then also why can't I/we use any other font than the Times/Times New Roman? - both Arial, Helvetica and Monaco also contain the full ASCII tables as well. And if I understand the 'ASCII problem' right fonts should be changed to a real ASCII fonts like Monaco, Andale or similar - not to Times/TNR, since they are built over the original ASCII fonts with same names... > Do you perchance have the file name extensions turned off from showing > all the time? If so, you could quickly become hopelessly confused. I > have just resorted to having them show all the time, ugly as they may > seem to a Mac user, but I don't have to deal with this sort of confusion... No, I have file extensons enabled as default in all applications. > Does this help any? A bit - though I'd prefer to keep the .txt format because I use these files as 'intro files' in some of my media players in both OS X and WinXP Pro - such as MPlayer Extended (OS X) and WinAmp/VLC (Win), so that these files will open when dragging a folder with all content onto these apps. No media applications are able to read and/or translate .rtf - only .txt, so I'll guess that I have to keep the .txt files intact and then just add a .rtf file with same content for 'off-line' reading - i.e. for normal opening with a double-click... Cheers, Erik Richard > ____________________________________________________ > On 2010 Nov 24, Wed, at 3:36 pm, Erik Richard Sørensen wrote: >> Sometimes I receive some documents in the .txt format. >> >> Normally I open these files in NWP (latest), and nearly everytime >> these are containg plain text in Times 12p - a very few times also >> Times New Roman 12p... >> >> Documents are not 'Read Only' or in any other way locked. >> >> Sometimes I need to edit these files, but keep the .txt format. This I >> do in NWP such as changing font to Arial 13p instead which is quite a >> lot more readable for me than the Times fonts. - Also I change some of >> the text content such as adding or removing partial text, paragraphs, >> sedctions etc.etc.. >> >> Hitting the COM+S of course saves the changes - at least so I >> thought... But sure it doesn't.:-(! The only things that is changed is >> if I remove part of the text - such as a paragraph. Added or changed >> paragraphs aren't savbed, font changes aren't saved, margin changes >> aren't saved, header/footer changes aren't saved. >> >> I also have tried to use the 'Save As' and created a new .txt file... >> Result is the same as above - only deleted text parts are 'saved' - >> i.e. the removed text is no more in the file. >> >> Creating a new blank document and then copy+paste the text from the >> original .txt document, use save as... Exactly same result... - Only >> deleted/removed text are gone. Fonts, sizes, styles, formatting are >> exactly as the original document. >> >> Opening these .txt docs in BBEdit 8.5.x tells that all files are >> created with MSO Word2003 or Word2007 using Times 11p or Times New >> Roman 11p. >> >> Saving docs in either .doc, docx or .rtf save and keep any of my >> changes exactly as I've set them. >> >> OK, now it's beginning to be 'funny'... Opening these .txt files in >> Word2008 for Mac, making the changes and then just hit COM+S saves >> _any_ changes! >> >> OK, over again... Opening the files in TextEdit, making the changes, >> hitting COM+S _doesnot_ keep changes except deleted text. >> >> OK, once more... Opening the files in Bean 2.4.x, making the changes, >> hitting COM+S _doesnot_ keep any changes except deleted text. >> >> OK, twice more - opening in BBEdit 8.5 as well as TextEdit Plus, >> making the changes, hitting COM+S in BBE and COM+SHIFT+S in TEP, - no >> changes are kept except deleted text... >> >> OK, last try... Opening and editing the files in OpenOffice 3.2.1, >> hitting the COM+S _doesnot_ save any changes either - except deleted >> text... >> >> ...Then I gave up.:-( - And began to save the files into .rtf.... >> >> ...What the neat nice Nisus is wrong with these .txt files...??? >> >> PS. Creating new documents in NWP and then copy and paste any text >> from any documents except those received via the internet, editing and >> then saving in .txt format using 'Save AS' works just normal in NWP. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Erik Richard Sørensen, Member of ADC, <[log in to unmask]> NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Text Processing - www.nisus.com Openoffice.org - The Modern Productivity Solution - www.openoffice.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~