You're right, David. We have this two extremes on both ends. Indonesians who insist that their language being called "Bahasa Indonesia" and not "Indonesian" and native speakers of English, and apparently some Germans too, who think that the name of the language is bahasa. A third variant I encounter all the time is "Bahasa Indonesian". When I thought of an appropriate name for this mailing list I wanted to avoid all reference to Indonesian as this list was initially intended to be a mailing list focusing on Malay language related issues including all Malay dialects not only Indonesian. But then some people wrongly associate "Malay" exclusively with Malaysia. In order to avoid this dilemma and to keep the list as open as possible I chose bahasa as the name of the list. > > Calling this mailing list 'Bahasa@....' doesn't help either. > > What REALLY ticks me off however, is insisting that the national language > o= > f Indonesia be exclusively referred to as 'Bahasa Indonesia' when speaking > = > English. Wrong. The English name for the national language of the Republic > = > of Indonesia is 'Indonesian'. > > DavidG > > > -- Dr. Uli Kozok Associate Professor Indonesian-Malay Language Program 2540 Maile Way, Spalding 255 Honolulu, HI 96822, USA Tel: +1.808. 956 7574 Fax: +1.808. 956 5978 http://www.hawaii.edu/indolang http://bahasa.net/online