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--- Forwarded Message from [log in to unmask] --- >Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:22:16 -0500 >From: [log in to unmask] >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: #8651 "Clean" movies >User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) Dear Professor Hurduzeu, While I am not sure of the particulars of Mike's situation, and so do not wish to judge his situation, I can assure you that there are often (quasi-) legal or workplace issues that can make it tricky for American educators to show films that have "language" or explicit nudity or sexual situations, or potentially objectionable content (objectionable is in the eyes of the beholder, by the way). For students under 18, public school teachers usually are required to get parental permission before the students can watch films that may be judged to contain this type of content as part of their schoolwork. It doesn't matter how valuable the film may be, the parents have the final say, and this can create a nightmare of paperwork for the teacher (not to mention having to make alternate arrangements for students who are not allowed to view the film), so I think it's understandable why some may choose to procure so-called "clean" versions instead, in hopes of getting the students some exposure to the film. I don't disagree about the overprotectiveness or (at times) general silliness in how far this gets taken, but teachers ignore these constraints at their peril. And it doesn't necessarily stop at the secondary level. I remember well an incident when I was a language lab manager at an unnamed community college here in the south, over a decade ago, when I was called on the carpet by our institution's president (!) for including the film Como Agua Para Chocolate (Like Water for Chocolate)in a language lab-sponsored film series. (The series was completely optional and not required for any classes - just open to anyone who was interested.) This was undoubtedly an isolated incident, but it speaks to the care some may feel they need to take in choosing content (films, books, etc) to share with their students. Respectfully, Samantha Earp Head, Instructional Media & Language Technology Services Duke University --- Forwarded Message from "Ovidiu Hurduzeu, Ph.D" <[log in to unmask]> --- >Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 00:47:25 -0500 >From: "Ovidiu Hurduzeu, Ph.D" <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: #8651 "Clean" movies >To: [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] >cc: Ovidiu Hurduzeu <[log in to unmask]> I think I do not share Professor Ledgerwood's suggestion to "clean up" strong language in foreign language movies. If we consider a certain movie to be inappropriate for our high schools students to watch, we do not show it at all instead of "mutilating" it. For instance, is such a great movie like "La Haine" inappropriate to show to our juniors or seniors in the French class because of its strong language? ( La Haine is a French movie about the life in a Paris ghetto, banlieu). I remind Professor Ledgerwood that "La Haine" 'strong language is the REAL language used in the banlieu. I would rather change the sanitized, tourist like view that our world language textbooks feed to our kids. Don't you think that American kids are sheltered too much from the harsh realities of the outside world? *********************************************** LLTI is a service of IALLT, the International Association for Language Learning (http://iallt.org/), and The Consortium for Language Teaching and Learning (http://www.languageconsortium.org/). Join IALLT at http://iallt.org. Otmar Foelsche, LLTI-Editor ([log in to unmask]) ***********************************************