--- Forwarded Message from "Waid, Alexander Ph.D." <[log in to unmask]> --- >Subject: RE: #8561.3 (!) Time Line in Audio Players >Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 08:46:25 -0400 >In-Reply-To: A<[log in to unmask]> >Thread-Topic: #8561.3 (!) Time Line in Audio Players >Thread-Index: Acep9GUZtZfoulGzTga5+x2cN3nvLQCMT0gg >References: A<[log in to unmask]> >From: "Waid, Alexander Ph.D." <[log in to unmask]> >To: "Language Learning and Technology International Information Forum" <[log in to unmask]> I've had good luck with two media players. In our lab, I use Tandberg's (now Sanako's) Divace. It's got a couple of features that are helpful to me: one, as I move forward/back it tells me to what point I am scrolling (the timeline is also short, so on long audio/video, it's tough to get better than to within three seconds of where I'm trying to get) and it also has a great "replay" feature that goes back a few seconds to the last gap in sound (which usually is the beginning of the last utterance). Also, in regular classrooms where I don't have access to Divace, Windows Media Player on full screen has a timeline that runs almost the entire width of the screen! As with the Divace, it shows you at what point the file is when you scroll around. It's usually pretty easy to find a particular second of any digital file regardless of length. v/R Alex Alexander Waid, Ph.D. Professor of Spanish Department of Humanities United States Coast Guard Academy (dh) 27 Mohegan Avenue New London, CT 06320-4195 860-701-6866 [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: Language Learning and Technology International Information Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of LLTI-Editor Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 1:42 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: #8561.3 (!) Time Line in Audio Players --- Forwarded Message from Derek Roff <[log in to unmask]> --- >Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 13:26:04 -0600 >From: Derek Roff <[log in to unmask]> >To: Language Learning and Technology International Information Forum <[log in to unmask]> >Subject: Re: #8561 Time Line in Audio Players >In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> >References: <[log in to unmask]> > I've been asked by one of the teachers in our institute to recommend > the best media player for classroom use. He's running audio and video > files off of his notebook and he complained about the difficulty of > working with the timeline in iTunes; apparently it's hard to find > specific points in the recording because the timeline is so short. Several of us were discussing this problem at the recent CALICO Annual Symposium. All media players that I have used suffer from four closely-related problems. 1. They lack precision in spontaneously selecting a specific point in the timeline. 2. For all but the shortest media files, they lack a way to make accurate, small adjustments backward or forward from the current playhead position. "Play that last sentence again" is a very challenging request. 3. There is no clear way to relate a relative position or displacement in the timeline to minutes and seconds. I don't know if clicking half an inch to the right in the timeline will take me forward thirty seconds or thirty minutes. 4. There is no consistency between a short file and a medium or long one, in the magnitude of timeline actions. Therefore, a teacher can't develop much of an intuitive feel for a media controller, that would address some of a player's imprecision. The ability to bookmark a file, which Otmar mentions, is very valuable in a media player. But that doesn't address spontaneous needs which arise during a class or other presentation. Does anyone know of a player which addresses some of the above limitations on the fly? For those on this list who have helped develop media players, I wonder how/if these usability questions were discussed. I've thought of a few interface options that might be borrowed from other software, to improve the usefulness of media players. I would be interested in whether others think changes of this sort would be beneficial. The ability to reliably replay the last few seconds of a media file (problem 2, and partly, 4) is the feature that I wish for most often, both in my own listening/viewing and when I am making presentations. To address this, I would replace the dot or rectangle that indicates the current "playhead" position in most media players with something giving accurate and consistent control over small time changes. I imagine a moving rectangle, containing three vertical lines. The center line would represent the current playhead position. Clicking on the line to the left or right of center would jump the playhead back or forward five seconds. Clicking on the left and right edges of the moving rectangle would jump the playhead back or forward ten seconds. This playhead rectangle would be the same size for all media files, regardless of length. I imagine that this would give useful, consistent control of an important function with a very simple (for the user) modification in the interface of the media controller. For problem 1 above, I'd like to see a pop-up time indicator, similar to a tool tip, which would appear when I moved my cursor over the timeline, telling me the minutes:seconds at that point. I don't have as clear an idea on how to address problems three and four. One possibility would be to divide the timeline with short vertical lines indicating every thirty seconds. On large files, these lines would be close together. On smaller files, they would be further apart. In all cases, they would give a quick visual indication of the file size and the amount of time represented by clicking in a given position. There might be some advantage in making the spaces between the vertical lines logarithmic, but I suspect that this would confuse more than help. I would be interested in anyone's comments on these ideas or other possible improvements on the media player interface and functionality. Derek Derek Roff Language Learning Center Ortega Hall 129, MSC03-2100 University of New Mexico Albuquerque, NM 87131-0001 505/277-7368, fax 505/277-3885 Internet: [log in to unmask] *********************************************** LLTI is a service of IALLT, the International Association for Language Learning (http://iallt.org/), and The Consortium for Language Teaching and Learning (http://www.languageconsortium.org/). Join IALLT at http://iallt.org. Otmar Foelsche, LLTI-Editor ([log in to unmask]) ***********************************************