--- Forwarded Message from "Vance, Jason" <[log in to unmask]> --- >Subject: RE: #8076.8 Media distribution and copyright (!) >Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:02:38 -0500 >Thread-Topic: #8076.8 Media distribution and copyright (!) >Thread-Index: AcXpS3kqN5ge1+F5R8ujwnNcrDMrwwAAEUAg >From: "Vance, Jason" <[log in to unmask]> >To: "Language Learning and Technology International Information Forum" <[log in to unmask]> Please bare with me, but you are augmenting Audio tracks for Deaf learners? Do you mean instead of augment, but add subtitles for deaf learners? What is meant by "gist?" Jason Vance, Supervisor Language Learning Center Thomas Nelson Community College PO BOX 9407 Hampton, Virginia 23670 757-825-2819(Office) 757-825-3807(fax) -----Original Message----- From: Language Learning and Technology International Information Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of LLTI-Editor Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 1:40 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: #8076.8 Media distribution and copyright (!) --- Forwarded Message from "Gus Leonard" <[log in to unmask]> --- >Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:47:56 -0800 >Subject: Re: #8076.4 Media distribution and copyright (!) >From: "Gus Leonard" <[log in to unmask]> >References: <[log in to unmask]> >In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Hi Jason, Why augment the content? Other than for reinforcing learning via various modalities, such as providing gist 'tracks' at various language levels, California and other states are subject to observing the legislation of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), Section 508, and other local and state legislation on making content accessible. This extra layer of support is critical with deaf learners, but also (as I'm learning) very helpful for ADHD and other learning disabilities I didn't necessarily think of in the ADA context. The CA community college system has been leading the way out here and our state university system schools are in the position of catch up now. I hope this thread can lead to some good dialog related to legal, pedagogical, ethical, etc. issues around why we might want to "augment" digital content. Gus _______________________________________ Gus Leonard Language Laboratory Coordinator School for World Languages & Cultures $F0 Building 48-119 $F0 California State University, Monterey Bay $F0 100 Campus Center $F0 Seaside, CA 93955 $F0 Email: [log in to unmask] $F0 (831) 582-4446 $F0 http://LanguageLab.csumb.edu | http://tinyurl.com/8ou73. President, SouthWest Association for Language Learning Technology $F0 http://www.humanities.uci.edu/hirc/SWALLT/ Language Learning and Technology International Information Forum <[log in to unmask]> on Thursday, November 10, 2005 at 4:02 AM -0800 wrote: >--- Forwarded Message from "Vance, Jason" <[log in to unmask]> --- > >>Subject: RE: #8076.2 Media distribution and copyright (!) >>Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:40:11 -0500 >>Thread-Topic: #8076.2 Media distribution and copyright (!) >>Thread-Index: AcXlYKD2aUsIhaWZRii/HtBbtgnhQQADRAcQ >>From: "Vance, Jason" <[log in to unmask]> >>To: "Language Learning and Technology International Information Forum" ><[log in to unmask]> > >Why would you need to augment the content with text tracks? > >Jason Vance, Supervisor >Language Learning Center >Thomas Nelson Community College >PO BOX 9407 >Hampton, Virginia 23670 >757-825-2819(Office) >757-825-3807(fax) >-----Original Message----- >From: Language Learning and Technology International Information Forum >[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of LLTI-Editor >Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 1:32 PM >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: #8076.2 Media distribution and copyright (!) > >--- Forwarded Message from "Read Gilgen" <[log in to unmask]> --- > >>Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 11:05:16 -0600 >>From: "Read Gilgen" <[log in to unmask]> >>To: <[log in to unmask]> >>Subject: Re: #8076.1 Media distribution and copyright (!) > >Right on, Joseph! > >>>> [log in to unmask] 11/8/2005 12:17:44 PM >>> >--- Forwarded Message from Joseph O Kautz <[log in to unmask]> --- > >>Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 11:15:19 -0800 (PST) >>From: Joseph O Kautz <[log in to unmask]> >>To: Language Learning and Technology International Information Forum > ><[log in to unmask]> >>Subject: Re: Media distribution and copyright >>In-Reply-To: ><[log in to unmask]> > > >Charlie Long makes an interesting proposition and I could not help >responding with how this fashionable, campus-in-itunes approach would >affect us. An All Itunes solution would limit how we can use digital >media. We incorporate audio and video files from publishers into our >LMS. >We also augment the content with text tracks done in Magpie, etc. To >do >didacticization well, we need the actual files, not a link into a >"free" >proprietary content management system. Blackboard used to be free >too. >Students are already gouged by publishers. Delivering media from >Itunes >will be seen as a new way to make money for the publisher at the >students' >expense. >The way we handle digital files now, I can guarantee my students a >minimal level of >quality when I reformat publishers' audio/video files. In the hands >of >publishers who will be overly concerned with bandwidth issues and >their >bottom line, audio/video quality will be of secondary concern and we >will >end up with unusable files that students pay for anyway. > >Kiss the language lab good-bye on campus with this kind of delivery >model. >Bean counters would be wise to ask, why do we need a Language Lab when >we >have IPods and Itunes to benevolently take the place of Language Labs. > >Finally, since when do we trust multinational corporations to intepret >fair use for us? Itunes is far too young to be accepted as a standard >for >content management. There are/will be open source clones in the very >near >future. I agree with Charlie Long on many of his points, but I have >less >faith in corporate approaches to facilitating 2nd language >acquisition. > >I guess as long as I can get copies of the publishers' media for our >own >use, Itunes could be helpful. Maybe TOO helpful. Joseph > > > >On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Charlie Long wrote: > >> >body{margin-left:10px;margin-right:10px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0p x >;} >> Dear Colleagues, >> >> We spend a lot of time implementing ways to deliver and organize >> copyrighted audio and video materials to and for our students. We >make >> password protected web pages, we post files to course management >systems. >> Students have to get on to our networks and behind firewalls in order >to >> access them. We have to write for permissions, worry about what we >are >> doing is legal, etc. All of this takes time and energy away from >teaching >> and learning. >> >> I would like to offer an open suggestion to Publishers. >> >> iTunes is a wonderful media management system, it organizes, it is >> searchable, it is cross platform, and it is FREE! Publishers should >make >> their audio and video available through an iTunes Educational Media >> Store. A keycode, along the lines of the Quia, Inc. or Pepsi bottle >cap >> model, could be included with the textbook to allow for the >downloading >> of the material. Alternately, a reasonable fee could be charged for >used >> text books. >> >> If IALLT, AATSP, AATF, CALICO, etc. all approached the publishers >and >> Apple, this could happen. The advantage to the publishers is great. >They >> would not have to publish and package CD's or DVD's, saving them lots >of >> money, hopefully passing along the savings to the students. >> >> Students and teachers alike would have their own copies of the >materials >> to play when and where needed. The built-in copyright protection of >the >> iTunes store limits the unauthorized distribution of the materials. >> Students are familiar with the interface. If EMINEM and DESPERATE >> HOUSEWIVES can be distributed so easily to so many people, why can't >the >> Lesson 5 listening comprehension or the fourth video episode be done >as >> well? >> >> I hoping that there are publishers who read this list and that they >will >> consider this option. I imagine that there are individuals in IALLT >who >> will know how to best approach the people who make such decisions. >> >> Imagine all students having easy access to all the audio and video >that a >> textbook has to offer without the institution having to do anything >and >> without the publisher having to do any shrink wrapping. >> >> ceL >> >> ***************************************************************** >> Charles E. Long, Head >> International Learning Center >> -International Study Programs >> -The Language lab >> Choate Rosemary Hall 333 Christian Street Wallingford, CT >06492 >> >> "Ask not what you can do for technology, but what technology can do >for >> you." >> "Most people in the world are foreigners." >> ***************************************************************** >> >> >> >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------ >Joseph Kautz >Academic Technology Specialist - Stanford Language Center >Meyer 280B - Stanford, CA 94305-3101 - (650) 725-1615 > >The world is not to be put in order; the world is order incarnate. >It is for us to put ourselves in unison with this order. >Henry Miller >------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > >*********************************************** > LLTI is a service of IALLT, the International Association for >Language Learning, and The Consortium for Language Teaching and >Learning (http://consortium.dartmouth.edu). >Join IALLT at http://iallt.org. >Otmar Foelsche, LLTI-Editor ([log in to unmask]) >*********************************************** Gus _______________________________________ Gus Leonard Language Laboratory Coordinator School for World Languages & Cultures $F0 Building 48-119 $F0 California State University, Monterey Bay $F0 100 Campus Center $F0 Seaside, CA 93955 $F0 Email: [log in to unmask] $F0 (831) 582-4446 $F0 http://LanguageLab.csumb.edu | http://tinyurl.com/8ou73. 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