At 1:31 PM Mar 29, 2006, John Delacour wrote:

>> Yes, it took me a while to understand it well also.
>> Experience with the VBA document object model helped.
>>
>> The website building tools are called Radio and Manilla.

> That is rather misleading.  What you do and can do with
> Frontier or Radio Userland depends on the database
> (frontier.root) you use.

John,

How did I mislead you by saying that the website building tools
are called Radio and Manila?  These are commercial products
which are sold for that purpose.

They both contain the Frontier kernel, and run on OSX, so they
could help Lloyd achieve his goals.

Where did I say that "What you can do with Frontier does not
depend on the database"?  Did you read my prior post from Sat,
Mar 25, 2006 at 1:55 PM?  You quote from it.
I was very clear (and even long winded).

I did not intend to mislead anyone about anything.
I am sorry that you feel I mislead you.

--Dave

On 3/29/06, John Delacour <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> At 11:19 am -0800 29/3/06, Dave McGary wrote:
>
> >Yes, it took me a while to understand it well also.
> >Experience with the VBA document object model helped.
> >
> >The website building tools are called Radio and Manilla.
>
> That is rather misleading.  What you do and can do with Frontier or
> Radio Userland depends on the database (frontier.root) you use.  I
> still use the same database I used with Frontier 5 betas because I
> used, and still user, Frontier for certain tasks and was not
> interested in the new directions it took.  The kernel is much the
> same as it always was except that it has been made to run under Mac
> OS X, but there has been no significant progress for over 10 years as
> far as I can see and a lot of the interface is, and always has been,
> quite unacceptable and full of bugs and oddities.  When Frontier
> understands Unicode I'll begin to take notice again, but I doubt if
> that's going to happen.
>
> As to MacBird, I can hardly think you are speaking from experience.
> MacBird was a total disaster and I never saw any demonstration from
> anybody that it served any purpose but to crash Macs.
>
> I went to look up something in my Frontier kernel mailing list
> archive yesterday and realised I had not long ago (deliberately)
> deleted the whole mailbox, presumably having given up hope entirely
> of anything really useful taking place on that front.  There's all
> sorts of tidying up of odds and ends going on in what seems to me a
> totally uncoordinated manner and nothing really happening at all.  In
> my opinion Frontier died a sudden death in 1997 and, though I use it
> myself in the way it used to be used, I would recommend it to nobody.
>
> JD
>