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--- Forwarded Message from "Gus Leonard" <[log in to unmask]> ---

>Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:51:05 -0800
>Subject: Re: #7746.3 Web cams for Windows XP lab (!)
>To: Language Learning and Technology International Information Forum
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>From: "Gus Leonard" <[log in to unmask]>
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Hi Peggy (and others following this thread),

No, Mini-DV cams don't eliminate jerkiness in web conferencing. That is more
subject to network conditions than anything else, as I understand it. But our
ASL faculty is pursuing the work, even given the video quality. The class sizes
are small and
often taught online during summer and winter interims where she can provide more
support. But the normal face to face classes all require video presentations to
be submitted in digital format and that's where the labs here get the bulk of
their use.

There have been some fascinating projects done with the Internet2 project
http://www.internet2.edu/about/   where there is dedicated network available,
including dance and musical performance, where the artists are connected over
the net. There was
a good introduction to what's going on there at IALLT in MI (2003).
http://www.lrc.lsa.umich.edu/FMPro?-db=ialltproposals.fp5&-format=ialltproposals
%2fsessions.html&-lay=standard&-sortfield=starttime&date2=21&release=yes&-recid=
35315&-find=

Happy Holidays!
--Gus

Language Learning and Technology International Information Forum
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>--- Forwarded Message from "Peggy Marcy" <[log in to unmask]> ---
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>>From: "Peggy Marcy" <[log in to unmask]>
>>To: "'Language Learning and Technology International Information Forum'"
><[log in to unmask]>
>>Subject: RE: #7746.1 Web cams for Windows XP lab (!)
>>Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 17:07:14 -0800
>>Thread-Index: AcTi731FUj2tUMHSQWqiur0qxXRwywA5LDcg
>>In-Reply-To:  <[log in to unmask]>
>>Disposition-Notification-To: "Peggy Marcy" <[log in to unmask]>
>
>I'm really interested in this.  I bought logitech web cams, but even as fast
>as our computers and network (100/100 switches) are, the cameras were still
>too jerky of motion to satisfy our ASL department.
>
>Gus Leonard, Do the miniDV cameras eliminate some of the jerkiness?  Well, I
>know they would on individual recording, but do you use them to video
>conference with also?  How smooth do the motions appear during video
>conferencing?
>
>Thanks,
>Peggy C. Marcy
>Language Learning Center
>Mt. San Antonio College
>Walnut, CA 91789
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Language Learning and Technology International Information Forum
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>Subject: Re: #7746.1 Web cams for Windows XP lab (!)
>
>--- Forwarded Message from "Gus Leonard" <[log in to unmask]> ---
>
>>Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:51:19 -0800
>>Subject: Re: #7746 Web cams for Windows XP lab
>>To: Language Learning and Technology International Information Forum
><[log in to unmask]>
>>From: "Gus Leonard" <[log in to unmask]>
>>References: <[log in to unmask]>
>>In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]>
>
>Language Learning and Technology International Information Forum
><[log in to unmask]> writes:
>>We are in the process of researching web cams for our lab.  ASL would use
>>the cams for several different purposes: 1) in order to do lab assignments
>>(they are the only ones that don't do them) and 2) in order to do their
>>required video taped projects each semester.  French, Italian and Spanish
>>would also have use for them, but ASL is our priority at the moment.
>>
>>I am looking for some advice for any good cams that could be secured
>somehow
>>with our setup.  The best ones that I have seen were in Mac labs.  Ours
>>would have to be secured somehow to the monitors or stations with the
>>ability to tilt up and down depending on the height of the person sitting
>in
>>front of the computer.
>>
>>Would you have any recommendations?   Thanks in advance.  John.
>John,
>We have found the Logitech QuickCam Pro 4000 to be the most versatile
>webcam, as
>it tends to have drivers that work with the versions of PC and Mac;
>compatible
>with Flash Communicator/Breeze and other web video chat tools; can be used
>to
>capture
>video with Windows MovieMaker on XP (not with iMovie unless you convert the
>captured files for editing); etc.
>More info at:
>http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/EN,CRID=2204,CONTENTID
>=504
>2
>
>For tie-down I bend the USB cable and thread that eye through a cheap washer
>from the hardware store. The resulting loop gets added to the lockdown
>cables I
>already have to the computer (same treatment goes for headsets, mice and
>keyboards). Desk
>tripods or      inverted pickle buckets complete the package.
>
>I bought 4 iSight webcams to use for our ASL courses too, but they didn't
>work
>in the PC lab, so I didn't buy any more, but they're fun for conferencing
>around
>the lab and other locations. We'll see what the next version of iChat brings
>in
>the
>Spring.
>
>The other option I explored was to get some Mini-DV cameras, and this has
>turned
>out to work best for our lab of sign-slingers. I have 10 set up in a 24
>station
>iMac lab on desktop or floor tripods with a FireWire cable running to the
>computer for
>direct capture to HD. That way students don't use expensive Mini-DV tapes
>for
>their projects. I bought a bunch of lockdown cables from
>http://www.ddsecurity.com/ that came with a lockslot that could be glued to
>the
>cameras (it's the clicklock, no
>longer mentioned on their site). Then a laptop lock ties the camera to the
>desk
>with a 6 foot range.
>An added bonus to the mini-DV cams is that you will have extra hardware for
>lab
>users to checkout for other language projects or that faculty member
>traveling
>abroad to shoot some video clips for her courses...!
>I like the Canon ZR series the best, though the tape chassis is located in
>an
>awkward spot if you are shooting to tape on a tripod. The new ZR90 comes
>with a
>wide-angle adaptor, so if the workstations are cramped it still allows the
>ASL
>students to
>film their full signing space (our instructors want to see from the beltline
>to
>about 1 fist over the head).
>
>If you want more details I can shoot some fotos and post to the web. Good
>luck!
>
>Gus
>_______________________________________
>Gus Leonard
>Language Laboratory Coordinator
>School for World Languages & Cultures $F0  Building 48-119 $F0 California
>State
>University, Monterey Bay $F0 100 Campus Center $F0 Seaside, CA 93955 $F0
>Email:
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>President, SouthWest Association for Language Learning Technology $F0
>http://www.humanities.uci.edu/hirc/SWALLT/
>
>May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the
>most
>amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. -Edward
>Abbey
>
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Gus
_______________________________________
Gus Leonard
Language Laboratory Coordinator
School for World Languages & Cultures $F0  Building 48-119 $F0 California State
University, Monterey Bay $F0 100 Campus Center $F0 Seaside, CA 93955 $F0 Email:
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President, SouthWest Association for Language Learning Technology $F0
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May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most
amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. -Edward Abbey



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