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--- Forwarded Message from Joel Goldfield <[log in to unmask]> ---

>Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:57:58 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Joel Goldfield <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Cc: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: #7541.3 Problems running HyperCard-based "French Pronunciation
Tutor" on new Macs (!)

Thanks for that set of comparisons, Mike.  I've worked around problems in 9.2
for
supporting the Tense Tutors and similar stacks.  Booting them up just takes
5 more steps than under At Ease under the legacy 7.5 OS.  Nothing that a little
text
& pictorial reference sheet couldn't solve.
Regards,
Joel Goldfield
Fairfield University
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Subject: Re: #7541.3 Problems running HyperCard-based "French Pronunciation
         Tutor" on new Macs (!)
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--- Forwarded Message from Mike Ledgerwood <[log in to unmask]> ---

>Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 16:26:02 -0400
>From: Mike Ledgerwood <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: #7541.2 Problems running HyperCard-based "French Pronunciation
Tutor" on new Macs (!)
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>To: Language Learning and Technology International Information Forum
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I've taken the opposite tack at Stony Brook.

I've moved a few old machines (both Macs and PCs) to our AV lab.  I've
taken them off the network and use them for legacy apps only. Macs run
system 8.6 and PCs run Win98 (which also allows for MS DOS).  Using 8.6
avoids the system 9 problems some programs encountered (they made
hardware calls Apple disallowed in 9).  Oh, as an aside I have also had
problems with programs NOT working in Hypercard 2.2 that work great in
2.1.  You might want to try a previous version of Hypercard in Classic
to see if this helps.

This supports programs that are still good and haven't been updated
(and never will be).  Although I haven't spent much time looking
recently, it seems as though the variety of programs available to us
has declined recently.

Hope others can tell me I am wrong.

If I am not, this gives us even more reasons to support legacy apps.

Best to all,

Mikle D. Ledgerwood, Ph.D.
Head of French
Director of the Language Learning and Reseearch Center
State University of New York at Stony Brook

Le 04-06-04, a 15:44, LLTI-Editor a ecrit :

> --- Forwarded Message from Frank Keller
> <[log in to unmask]> ---
>
>> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:15:48 -0400
>> From: Frank Keller <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: #7541 Problems running HyperCard-based "French
>> Pronunciation
> Tutor" on new Macs
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> We havent been able to get our old hypercard applications to run with
> any consistency at all in classic mode on 0S X. We have given the Mac
> centric instructors a year in which to choose new apps for Mac OS X, as
> OS X doesnt support hypercard, and we have decided to get away from
> legacy apps. We decided to continue support on 8 OS 9 Imacs for one
> more
> year.
> If you absolutely feel the need to support these apps in OS X,
> http://www.runrev.com/ is a possible solution if you are willing to do
> some work on the Hypercard stacks.
>
> Frank Keller
> Microcomputer Support Specialist II
> Language Lab, SAIS QT Streaming
> and Political Science Dept.
> 506 Krieger Hall
> Johns Hopkins University
> 410-516-6767
> [log in to unmask]
>>>> [log in to unmask] 06/02/04 1:11 PM >>>
> --- Forwarded Message from "David Pankratz" <[log in to unmask]>
> ---
>
>> Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 10:39:05 -0500
>> From: "David Pankratz" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Problems running HyperCard-based "French Pronunciation Tutor"
> on new
> Macs
>
> We are still using a few ancient but pretty decent programs developed
> back in the 90's by HyperGlot Software Co.(no longer in existence)
> released on a CD-ROM called "LinguaRom-IV." For example, there is
> "French Pronunciation Tutor," "Spanish Pronunciation Tutor," "Spanish
> Verb Tutor", etc.
>
> These are HyperCard-based. They run fine on older Macs running System
> 9,
> but on new eMacs they no longer run properly in the Classic mode. The
> audio is choppy, and the pacing is off. When you listen to a list of
> words, for example, the intervals are irregular, and sometimes the
> sounds seem truncated.
>
> Does anyone have a fix or an explanation for this? Classic seems to be
> running the old Hypercard programs in a different way than System 9
> did.
> Some old-timers (including yours truly) still like providing a few of
> these programs, but the new machines really diminish the learning
> experience.
>
> David Pankratz
> Loyola University Chicago
>

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