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--- Forwarded Message from "Read Gilgen" <[log in to unmask]> ---

>Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 15:42:15 -0500
>From: "Read Gilgen" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: #7135.7 lab attendance tracking (!)

This is indeed a separate issue.  We keep track of checkout information,
and also web traffic, so we know how much materials are being used.  But
we don't even attempt to try to keep information about individual
students.

I forgot to mention another issue that also turned us from this...
there isn't a library in the free world that will report to a third
party just who has materials checked out (well, at least they
shouldn't).  If we check things out as a library does, we really have to
respect privacy of the clients.  If instructors want to know if a
student is using the materials, they have to ask, or test, or quiz, or
hold a class with the students present.

This really isn't just a "we won't do that" issue.  It actually forces
us to work harder with faculty to make sure we and they are providing
the right materials, in the right way, so students actually use them.
More "internal outreach" so to speak with our faculty.

>>> [log in to unmask] 5/1/2003 2:43:59 PM >>>
--- Forwarded Message from jeremy c munson <[log in to unmask]>
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>Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 21:38:10 -0700 (PDT)
>From: jeremy c munson <[log in to unmask]>
>To: Language Learning and Technology International Information Forum
 <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: #7135.6 lab attendance tracking (!)
>In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]>

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You raise an interesting point, and in an ideal world, I think you are
correct; however, it's my understanding that in these times of budget
cuts, there are powers outside of the language lab asking the labs to
justify their budgets, staffing, and even space resources. Hence a
good
tracking system (with actual students to track) serves as 'ammunition'
in
these times of budget cuts and space disputes.



On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, LLTI-Editor wrote:

> --- Forwarded Message from "Read Gilgen" <[log in to unmask]> ---
>
> >Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:25:07 -0500
> >From: "Read Gilgen" <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Re: #7135.4 lab attendance tracking (!)
>
> Some time ago (like 15-20 yrs) we decided to get out of the business
of
> monitoring student lab attendance.  First, all you're doing is
verifying
> that they're checking in/out, not what they're doing while there.
> Second, the only way to really tell if the student has been working
with
> the assigned materials is to quiz, test, or get them to use in class
> what they've learned.
>
> Too many instructors appease their conscience by getting these
> attendance stats but never take the time to know what the students
have
> learned in the lab, or even what the lab materials are.
>
> Fast forwarding to today, nearly all of our materials are digital
and
> online.  Obviously having tracking software for who attends the lab
> makes even less sense.  Building in a check-in method for online
work
> (i.e., when someone logs in and logs out) would take care of that,
but
> then who's to say who actually checked in or what they did while
checked
> in.
>
> Bottom line... we don't track attendance.  Period.
>
> >>> [log in to unmask] 4/29/2003 7:49:26 AM >>>
> --- Forwarded Message from "Pons, Julia (Packard)" <[log in to unmask]>
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>
> >From: "Pons, Julia (Packard)" <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: "'Language Learning and Technology International Information
> Forum'"            <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: RE: #7135 lab attendance tracking
> >Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 18:31:50 -0400
>
> Do you have anyone who checks the students in as the enter the lab?
> I've
> experimented with several different tracking programs, but the most
> reliable
> one so far has been to simply create an excel workbook with
> spreadsheets for
> individual classes and students. As students come in the lab, the
> student
> workers take their IDs and enter the day and times on their
> spreadsheets.
>
> It's easy as pie to add their total time spent in the lab this way!
>
> ------------------------------------
> Julia Packard Pons
> Language Lab Coordinator
> 410-532-5558
> College of Notre Dame of MD
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LLTI-Editor [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 3:19 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: #7135 lab attendance tracking
>
>
> --- Forwarded Message from TennesseeBob Peckham <[log in to unmask]> ---
>
> >Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 15:08:17 -0700
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >From: TennesseeBob Peckham <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: lab attendance tracking
>
> ------------------
> We are looking for a good way to track attendance in our 30-station
> networked lab.  Student use is approximately 840 use hours per week
> because of a 2-hour per week lab requirement for students in all of
> our 111, 115, 122 and 222 language classes.  This is a Mac lab
> running OS9, but as soon as I can convince people to dump some old
> software, we will move to OSX.  Our university will have a 9.2% cut
> in budget next year, so we will need to find something very cheap.
>
> TBob
>
>
> --
> ==========================================================
> Look it up in the Andy Holt Virtual Library
> http://www.utm.edu/vlibrary/vlhome.shtml
> ==========================================================
> Robert D. Peckham, PhD
> Director, the Globe-Gate Project
> Director, the Muriel Tomlinson Language Resource Center Department
of
> Modern
> Foreign Languages Univ. of Tennessee-Martin
> http://globegate.org/french/globe.html
>

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