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>From: "Thomas Griffin" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: "Language Learning and Technology International Information Forum" <[log in to unmask]>
>References: <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Re: #6906.2 lab director appointment (!)
>Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 14:13:37 -0500
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Hello Marianna
In reply to your situation, I will tell you what my position is at
Northeasten Illinois Univeristy. I work as a full time Civil Service staff
member. There are many part time instructors who do the same and teach a
class or two.
The lab used to be run by full time faculty in the 1970s and they asked the
state to create a civil service staff postition when the professor/director
was too busy to do both. Of course, the requirements were a BA in any
language (which is what I got hired on) and the approprate decrease in
salary from a PHD but at least I am doing one job and getting paid for one
job.
I suggest you check with your department head and initate the process with
your human resources dept to create a staff position. Then get the FL dept
to hire you as a part time faculty as well. Half of our PT faculty work
elsewhere in the university and they get two paychecks.
I don't know what the procedures are at NGSU but Education seems to be
evolving into running on the Corporate Capitalist mode. In my opinion it is
like trying mix vinager and oil. State colleges were the last bastion of
true Socialism left in the world. Everyone wants to save money and get
people to do two jobs for the price of one.
I may be one of the last few lucky ones but my salary is for substanance.
Chicago is not a cheap city to live in.
Good luck
Tom Griffin, Director,
Foreign Language Lab, NEIU
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Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: #6906.2 lab director appointment (!)
> --- Forwarded Message from "S. Earp" <[log in to unmask]> ---
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> >Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:47:35 -0700 (PDT)
> >From: "S. Earp" <[log in to unmask]>
> >Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: #6906.1 lab director appointment
> >To: Language Learning and Technology International Information Forum
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> ------------------
> Ahem. I was going to stay out of this one, but I just
> can't resist <grin>.
>
> A number of us have been in some variation of the
> situation you've described at one point or another on
> our careers, and could show you battle scars and tell
> fierce war stories (the metaphor is deliberate). These
> positions that are neither fish nor fowl sometimes
> work out okay until there's a workload / performance
> evaluation / reporting structure issue, then things
> get dicey. I know of folks who've been told that
> "staff" policies apply to them in certain situations,
> but that "faculty" policies apply in other
> circumstances. You can see how this gets confusing and
> uncomfortable.
>
> The good news is that many people have been able to
> work something out. Peggy's given some great
> suggestions, and there are many of us around who have
> been through the process she describes. You've got a
> great resource in LLTI for this kind of research.
>
> If your situation continues, though, keep in mind that
> you have (I hope) a legal contract for work, and
> whatever kind of contract you have implies certain
> rights, privileges, and expectations, as well as a
> formal process for revisiting your position & being
> evaluated. People can't pick and choose which set of
> policies and procedures to apply to your position just
> because it's more convenient. That's neither fair nor
> legal, and if need be a visit to your friendly
> university attorney would convince anyone who thinks
> otherwise of the legal ramifications.
>
> (off soapbox!)
>
> Good luck!
>
> Best,
> Samantha
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Samantha Earp, Director
> Foreign Language Technology Services
> Duke University
> 919.660.5945 - [log in to unmask]
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>
>
>
>
> >
> > >From: "pmarcy" <[log in to unmask]>
> > >To: "'Language Learning and Technology
> > International Information Forum'"
> > <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Subject: RE: #6906 lab director appointment
> > >Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 08:25:26 -0700
> > >Importance: Normal
> > >In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Disposition-Notification-To: "pmarcy"
> > <[log in to unmask]>
> >
> > ------------------
> > If you run the lab from 8 to 5 for four or five days
> > a week and teach
> > two classes, then yes, you have a full time job and
> > a part time job with
> > pay for only a full time job.
> >
> > I'm sure your school has a process for re-evaluating
> > positions and work
> > load. Use it. Get all your ducks in a row
> > first--research other lab
> > positions, document your lab attendance growth,
> > account for all of your
> > time.
> >
> > I am just a full time lab supervisor, fortunately,
> > but I have more work
> > on my plate than I can handle between hunting down
> > grants, writing
> > business plans, training staff (2500 media titles),
> > running staff
> > development workshops for instructors, etc.
> >
> > Good luck. Peggy Marcy
> > Mt. San Antonio College,
> > Walnut, CA
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Language Learning and Technology International
> > Information Forum
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> > LLTI-Editor
> > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 1:24 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: #6906 lab director appointment
> >
> > --- Forwarded Message from "Mariana Pomphile"
> > <[log in to unmask]> ---
> >
> > >Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 10:56:05 -0400
> > >From: "Mariana Pomphile" <[log in to unmask]>
> > >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Subject: lab director appointment
> >
> > Thanks to all of for your input on renaming the lab.
> > I have another
> > question now. It's about the Director's
> > appointment. When I was hired
> > they told me I was Half faculty - half staff. I left
> > it at that because
> > it was my first job and I didn't know much about it
> > all. Then time went
> > by and I started wondering. I am for human
> > resources purposes a nine
> > month faculty. I am off when students are off and I
> > don't earn vacation
> > time. On the other hand I have to be here in the
> > lab from 8 to 5 like
> > any staff member and I can't just leave for half a
> > day (like a staff
> > person would do if they had an appointment or
> > something). So I run the
> > lab from 8 to 5 and then I teach two classes. The
> > way I am starting to
> > feel is that I have a full time job and I teach part
> > time but I am not
> > paid extra for that.
> > Maybe I am complaining and everyone's situation is
> > the same, I don't
> > know. Can I hear from all of you again?
> > Thank you,
> > Mariana
>
>
>
>
>
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