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>Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:14:07 -0500 (CDT)
>From: Jianxiong Wu <[log in to unmask]>
>To: Language Learning and Technology International Information Forum <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: #5637.1 OS 9 + trad. Chinese + Nisus = crash? (!)
>In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]>
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Nisus is aware of this problem, but they don't seem to have a fix for it
yet. We went through the "tricks and tips" section on the Nisus
website. It did not solve the problem. So we returned the upgrades to
them, which we had recently bought. We are switching to Appleworks, which
works fine with Chinese and a whole bunch of other languages including
Japanese and Korean under System 9. All these languages are built-in with
Apple System 9. You don't need language kits any more.
Jian X Wu
CLA Language Center
University of Minnesota
On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, LLTI-Editor wrote:
> --- Forwarded Message from "JEFFREY J. HAYDEN" <[log in to unmask]> ---
>
> >Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:25:00 -1000
> >From: "JEFFREY J. HAYDEN" <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Re: #5637 OS 9 + trad. Chinese + Nisus = crash?
> >In-reply-to: <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Cc: David Kanig <[log in to unmask]>
>
> ------------------
>
> On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, David Kanig wrote:
>
> > Is anyone having the following problem? Has anyone found a solution?
> >=20
> > Using Mac OS 9.0 (on an iMac, a PowerBook or a blue G3) with Nisus
> > 5.1.3: selecting traditional Chinese results in an immediate Nisus and
> > system crash.
>
> David,
>
> =09Even though I'm sending a copy to the LLTI list, it won't get
> there (I can receive, but am not allowed to send because the server
> doesn't recognize my email address), so I'm sending you a copy directly.
>
> =09If the following is of any use, please forward it to the list.
>
> =09First, check
>
> =09http://www.nisus.com/tips/
>
> =09Then you can read the following posts from the CHN-MAC discussion
> list, which I might suggest you subscribe to.
>
>
>
> Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 23:29:57 -1000 (HST)
> From: "JEFFREY J. HAYDEN" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: Aaron Rosenzweig <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Nisus and OS9
>
> On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Aaron Rosenzweig wrote:
>
> > Do you have problems uses Chinese on Nisus Writer with OS9?
>
> No. I use MacOS 8.5.1 and WordPerfect (or AppleWorks). Besides, I only
> have Nisus 4.0.5 and no dongle, so I can't do Chinese in Nisus anyway,
> just Japanese.
>
> > It crashes for me instantly when I try to use Chinese :-(
>
> There are other programs out there. You could try inputting with
> AppleWorks or simple text, then copying and pasting.
>
> This was reported on the CHN-MAC list last October. There is still no
> satisfying solution.
>
> Nisus has something on their tips page (see attached). For some reason I
> couldn't get to their page just now, but it should be at
>
> =09http://www.nisus.com/tips/
>
>
> From:[log in to unmask]
> Organization: Center for Educational Technology
> Subject: Nisus, CLK, and MacOS9
> Date:=09Thu, 6 Jan 2000 04:17:32 -1000
>
> [log in to unmask] writes:
> >Just purchased an iMac 350 with OS 9 preinstalled. I installed the CJK
> >components and have been unsuccesful at using any except the
> >JLK. NisusWriter crashes (system errors)
>
> This is a known bug and the people at Nisus are currently working on a
> solution. You should contact Nisus to make sure you are informed when a
> patch is available.
>
> Robert Smitheram
>
>
> From:=09Kerim Friedman <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: OS9 and Nisus
> To:[log in to unmask]
> Date:=09Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:16:59 -1000
>
> http://www.nisus.com/tip/chineseos9.asp
>
> The following is from Nisus' page on lack of compatibility between OS9 and
> CLK:
>
> Editing Chinese Text in Macintosh OS 9 Apple failed to test the new CLK
> (version 2.0) and seems not to have cared to bother (in developing the
> Chinese materials in Mac OS 9) with Nisus Writer, the word processor most
> commonly used with the Chinese Language Kit.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> We know of these workarounds.
>
> 1. If you do not use inline input, CLK 2.0's Traditional Chinese
> input method still works--albeit slowly, more so in Mac OS 8.5 - this,
> however is not the input method available in Mac OS 9 which causes an
> immediate crash). Just do the following. It is good enough for a few
> Chinese characters here and there, but too unresponsive for heavy-duty
> typing.
>
> 1. Choose Preferences... from the Edit menu.
>
> 2. Scroll the left column in the Preferences dialog until you see
> =09Languages.
>
> 3. Click (i.e. check) "Use Bottom Window for Input"
>
> 4. Click Save Preferences, then click OK.
>
>
> 2. Input modules from CLK 1.2 still work. In CLK 1.2, they are stored
> in the Extensions Folder with names like Cang jie, Da yi, Parrot, Pin yin,
> and Zhu yin. If you put them in the Extensions Folder, they will show up
> as entries in the Keyboard menu. Of course, if one already has CLK 1.2,
> there is no need to buy 2.0.
>
>
> 3. With Mac OS 8.5 and later (including OS 9), you don't even need
> CLK. All you need is to install the Chinese software from Multilingual
> Internet Access (an option in 8.5's installer), then drag one of the
> aforementioned input modules into the Extensions Folder. What results is a
> fully functional equivalent of CLK. All the TrueType fonts from previous
> versions still work (anti-aliased too). CLK 1.2 is a source of these input
> modules, as are some third party Chinese TrueType font vendors. One is
> from Dynalab, whose fonts come with their own input modules to accommodate
> non-standard characters (Gaiji).
>
>
> 4. There is, yet, another input method available called BoPoMoFo. It
> is sold in the U.S. via the Chinese Software Superstore. [We have
> information from a reliable source that BoPoMoFo is still being tested
> with OS 9.]
>
>
> 5. As yet another alternative, you can use the LaLaSan input system
> instead of any CLK components. LaLaSan is a seemingly abandoned input
> system developed by MacBlue in Taiwan. Comjet was the distributor. Though
> we have reports that it works well under 8.5 with Nisus 5.1.3, we have
> experienced some "linkrot" here recently.
>
>
> SUGGESTIONS
>
> In short, Mac OS 8.1 users need CLK 1.2; Mac OS 8.5 - OS 9 users need only
> input modules from CLK 1.2 or third party vendors.
>
> When they install OS 9 they should add the "Language Kits" and then choose
> the "Customized Installation..."
>
> We can imagine that there may develop some additional method of "sharing"
> information and tools that enable quality Chinese input in Nisus Writer
> (independent of what is currently available from Apple Computers). In the
> words of Ibn Ezra: "haMeivin Yavin," (nuff said).
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> * Basic Rules for Asian Text Editing
> * How do I "Romanize" Asian transliterations?
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> One user's evaluation of the new features of Nisus Writer 5.1.3
> and why you should upgrade your Nisus Writer.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> The dedicated group of people at Nisus Software Inc. created Nisus Writer
> as a tool to enable better communication, worldwide.
>
> As one user of an earlier version of Nisus Writer wrote: "It's not just
> another word-processing program; it's an international program in the
> forefront of multicultural understanding."
>
> Indeed, we hope that we play a small role in helping to unite the peoples
> of our world through making a better tool for written communication, and
> helping you achieve your endeavors.
>
> If you have any thoughts about how we can make Nisus Writer even better in
> the future, we welcome your ideas. Send them to us.
>
> Please share what you have learned about Nisus Writer with a friend.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Nisus Writer FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions).
> Back to tips index page.
>
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>
> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 05:31:16 -1000 (HST)
> From: "JEFFREY J. HAYDEN" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: No title defined <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: CLK and MacOS 8.6 Again - (was Mac Text Conversion Problem)
>
> On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 Robert Smitheram wrote:
>
> > I would suggest switching to either Nisus or Mariner Write for these
> > programs do a much better job with WorldScript.
>
> Of course, your friend could also consider Corel's free version of
> WordPerfect
>
> =09http://www.corel.com
>
> Apple's reasonably priced AppleWorks
>
> =09http://www.apple.com
>
> or a localized version of TurboWriter
>
> =09http://www.asiasoft.com
> =09http://www.pacrim.com
> =09http://gy.com
>
>
> From:=09Andrew Main <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Word-processing options
> To:[log in to unmask]
> Date:=09Thu, 13 Apr 2000 07:07:08 -1000
>
> John Christopher Hamm wrote:
>
> <<I will be purchasing a new Mac with System 9.0. What are my best options
> for Chinese word-processing? On my current computer I'm running System 8.6
> and using Microsoft Word 5.1a (I know, I know) and Nisus Writer 5.1. Can I
> expect a smooth transition?>>
>
> Make sure your OS 9 is up to date: 9.0.4 is the current version, updater
> available on Apple site
> (http://asu.info.apple.com/swupdates.nsf/artnum/n11610). Rumor has it
> there will be a 9.1 sometime this summer, which may finally get it
> right--as much as they ever do. (Re a query from another subscriber: yes,
> OS 9.x will be the final version for pre-G3 PPC Macs; OS 10, aka OS X,
> will require the G3 CPU.) Make sure your Nisus Writer is up to date
> also; check the Nisus website. I don't use the Micro$oft products, but
> gather Word can be troublesome for multilingual work, not to mention
> =2E.. well, why bother?
>
>
> From:=09Eric Rasmussen and Gloria Kao <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Word-processing options
> To:[log in to unmask]
> Date:=09Fri, 14 Apr 2000 03:56:05 -1000
>
> What follows is the current state of the "Word Processors" section of the
> FAQ. The Nisus bit is just some notes based on my own experience with
> it. Brackets indicate things I haven't yet tried. ClarisWorks/AppleWorks
> has a section of its own, which I will initiate based on Andrew Main's
> last message, and the past thread about the line spacing/font heights
> problem.
>
> Word Processors
>
> 1. Nisus Writer
>
> Works perfectly with CLK 1.x. There are some problems between Nisus 5.x
> and the CLK 2.0 and OS 9 Traditional Chinese input methods. For more on
> this, and some workarounds, see:
>
> > > http://www.nisus.com/tip/chineseos9.asp
>
> Fortunately, Hanin 5.0 works well with Nisus and OS 8.5.1 and above,
> including OS 9. [Cihui?]. [BoPoMoFo?]. Unfortunately, Hanin 5.0 does
> not work at all with CLK 2.0 on OS 7.6.1/8.1. [Cihui?]. [BoPoMoFo?].
>
> 2. Mariner Write
>
> > > http://www.marinersoft.com/
>
> 3. WordPerfect
>
> > > http://www.corel.com/products/macintosh/wpmac35/enhancement.htm
>
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