--- Forwarded Message from "JEFFREY J. HAYDEN" <[log in to unmask]> ---
>Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:25:00 -1000
>From: "JEFFREY J. HAYDEN" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: #5637 OS 9 + trad. Chinese + Nisus = crash?
>In-reply-to: <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Cc: David Kanig <[log in to unmask]>
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On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, David Kanig wrote:
> Is anyone having the following problem? Has anyone found a solution?
>=20
> Using Mac OS 9.0 (on an iMac, a PowerBook or a blue G3) with Nisus
> 5.1.3: selecting traditional Chinese results in an immediate Nisus and
> system crash.
David,
=09Even though I'm sending a copy to the LLTI list, it won't get
there (I can receive, but am not allowed to send because the server
doesn't recognize my email address), so I'm sending you a copy directly.
=09If the following is of any use, please forward it to the list.
=09First, check
=09http://www.nisus.com/tips/
=09Then you can read the following posts from the CHN-MAC discussion
list, which I might suggest you subscribe to.
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 23:29:57 -1000 (HST)
From: "JEFFREY J. HAYDEN" <[log in to unmask]>
To: Aaron Rosenzweig <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Nisus and OS9
On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Aaron Rosenzweig wrote:
> Do you have problems uses Chinese on Nisus Writer with OS9?
No. I use MacOS 8.5.1 and WordPerfect (or AppleWorks). Besides, I only
have Nisus 4.0.5 and no dongle, so I can't do Chinese in Nisus anyway,
just Japanese.
> It crashes for me instantly when I try to use Chinese :-(
There are other programs out there. You could try inputting with
AppleWorks or simple text, then copying and pasting.
This was reported on the CHN-MAC list last October. There is still no
satisfying solution.
Nisus has something on their tips page (see attached). For some reason I
couldn't get to their page just now, but it should be at
=09http://www.nisus.com/tips/
From:[log in to unmask]
Organization: Center for Educational Technology
Subject: Nisus, CLK, and MacOS9
Date:=09Thu, 6 Jan 2000 04:17:32 -1000
[log in to unmask] writes:
>Just purchased an iMac 350 with OS 9 preinstalled. I installed the CJK
>components and have been unsuccesful at using any except the
>JLK. NisusWriter crashes (system errors)
This is a known bug and the people at Nisus are currently working on a
solution. You should contact Nisus to make sure you are informed when a
patch is available.
Robert Smitheram
From:=09Kerim Friedman <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: OS9 and Nisus
To:[log in to unmask]
Date:=09Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:16:59 -1000
http://www.nisus.com/tip/chineseos9.asp
The following is from Nisus' page on lack of compatibility between OS9 and
CLK:
Editing Chinese Text in Macintosh OS 9 Apple failed to test the new CLK
(version 2.0) and seems not to have cared to bother (in developing the
Chinese materials in Mac OS 9) with Nisus Writer, the word processor most
commonly used with the Chinese Language Kit.
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We know of these workarounds.
1. If you do not use inline input, CLK 2.0's Traditional Chinese
input method still works--albeit slowly, more so in Mac OS 8.5 - this,
however is not the input method available in Mac OS 9 which causes an
immediate crash). Just do the following. It is good enough for a few
Chinese characters here and there, but too unresponsive for heavy-duty
typing.
1. Choose Preferences... from the Edit menu.
2. Scroll the left column in the Preferences dialog until you see
=09Languages.
3. Click (i.e. check) "Use Bottom Window for Input"
4. Click Save Preferences, then click OK.
2. Input modules from CLK 1.2 still work. In CLK 1.2, they are stored
in the Extensions Folder with names like Cang jie, Da yi, Parrot, Pin yin,
and Zhu yin. If you put them in the Extensions Folder, they will show up
as entries in the Keyboard menu. Of course, if one already has CLK 1.2,
there is no need to buy 2.0.
3. With Mac OS 8.5 and later (including OS 9), you don't even need
CLK. All you need is to install the Chinese software from Multilingual
Internet Access (an option in 8.5's installer), then drag one of the
aforementioned input modules into the Extensions Folder. What results is a
fully functional equivalent of CLK. All the TrueType fonts from previous
versions still work (anti-aliased too). CLK 1.2 is a source of these input
modules, as are some third party Chinese TrueType font vendors. One is
from Dynalab, whose fonts come with their own input modules to accommodate
non-standard characters (Gaiji).
4. There is, yet, another input method available called BoPoMoFo. It
is sold in the U.S. via the Chinese Software Superstore. [We have
information from a reliable source that BoPoMoFo is still being tested
with OS 9.]
5. As yet another alternative, you can use the LaLaSan input system
instead of any CLK components. LaLaSan is a seemingly abandoned input
system developed by MacBlue in Taiwan. Comjet was the distributor. Though
we have reports that it works well under 8.5 with Nisus 5.1.3, we have
experienced some "linkrot" here recently.
SUGGESTIONS
In short, Mac OS 8.1 users need CLK 1.2; Mac OS 8.5 - OS 9 users need only
input modules from CLK 1.2 or third party vendors.
When they install OS 9 they should add the "Language Kits" and then choose
the "Customized Installation..."
We can imagine that there may develop some additional method of "sharing"
information and tools that enable quality Chinese input in Nisus Writer
(independent of what is currently available from Apple Computers). In the
words of Ibn Ezra: "haMeivin Yavin," (nuff said).
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* Basic Rules for Asian Text Editing
* How do I "Romanize" Asian transliterations?
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One user's evaluation of the new features of Nisus Writer 5.1.3
and why you should upgrade your Nisus Writer.
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The dedicated group of people at Nisus Software Inc. created Nisus Writer
as a tool to enable better communication, worldwide.
As one user of an earlier version of Nisus Writer wrote: "It's not just
another word-processing program; it's an international program in the
forefront of multicultural understanding."
Indeed, we hope that we play a small role in helping to unite the peoples
of our world through making a better tool for written communication, and
helping you achieve your endeavors.
If you have any thoughts about how we can make Nisus Writer even better in
the future, we welcome your ideas. Send them to us.
Please share what you have learned about Nisus Writer with a friend.
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Nisus Writer FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions).
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Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 05:31:16 -1000 (HST)
From: "JEFFREY J. HAYDEN" <[log in to unmask]>
To: No title defined <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: CLK and MacOS 8.6 Again - (was Mac Text Conversion Problem)
On Tue, 18 Jan 2000 Robert Smitheram wrote:
> I would suggest switching to either Nisus or Mariner Write for these
> programs do a much better job with WorldScript.
Of course, your friend could also consider Corel's free version of
WordPerfect
=09http://www.corel.com
Apple's reasonably priced AppleWorks
=09http://www.apple.com
or a localized version of TurboWriter
=09http://www.asiasoft.com
=09http://www.pacrim.com
=09http://gy.com
From:=09Andrew Main <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Word-processing options
To:[log in to unmask]
Date:=09Thu, 13 Apr 2000 07:07:08 -1000
John Christopher Hamm wrote:
<<I will be purchasing a new Mac with System 9.0. What are my best options
for Chinese word-processing? On my current computer I'm running System 8.6
and using Microsoft Word 5.1a (I know, I know) and Nisus Writer 5.1. Can I
expect a smooth transition?>>
Make sure your OS 9 is up to date: 9.0.4 is the current version, updater
available on Apple site
(http://asu.info.apple.com/swupdates.nsf/artnum/n11610). Rumor has it
there will be a 9.1 sometime this summer, which may finally get it
right--as much as they ever do. (Re a query from another subscriber: yes,
OS 9.x will be the final version for pre-G3 PPC Macs; OS 10, aka OS X,
will require the G3 CPU.) Make sure your Nisus Writer is up to date
also; check the Nisus website. I don't use the Micro$oft products, but
gather Word can be troublesome for multilingual work, not to mention
=2E.. well, why bother?
From:=09Eric Rasmussen and Gloria Kao <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Word-processing options
To:[log in to unmask]
Date:=09Fri, 14 Apr 2000 03:56:05 -1000
What follows is the current state of the "Word Processors" section of the
FAQ. The Nisus bit is just some notes based on my own experience with
it. Brackets indicate things I haven't yet tried. ClarisWorks/AppleWorks
has a section of its own, which I will initiate based on Andrew Main's
last message, and the past thread about the line spacing/font heights
problem.
Word Processors
1. Nisus Writer
Works perfectly with CLK 1.x. There are some problems between Nisus 5.x
and the CLK 2.0 and OS 9 Traditional Chinese input methods. For more on
this, and some workarounds, see:
> > http://www.nisus.com/tip/chineseos9.asp
Fortunately, Hanin 5.0 works well with Nisus and OS 8.5.1 and above,
including OS 9. [Cihui?]. [BoPoMoFo?]. Unfortunately, Hanin 5.0 does
not work at all with CLK 2.0 on OS 7.6.1/8.1. [Cihui?]. [BoPoMoFo?].
2. Mariner Write
> > http://www.marinersoft.com/
3. WordPerfect
> > http://www.corel.com/products/macintosh/wpmac35/enhancement.htm
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