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Wed, 30 May 2012 21:07:02 +0200
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Hei Erik 

The possibility to create complex tables and to choose precise measures 
in cm/mm is also very important for some of the jobs i need to do. 

But I never expected such a feature to work as i desired in a wp for less than $100. 
In this kind of categories, for me, it was Word (running on XP), only, that would 
make the difference. Now I am using Libre Office (on OS 10.7) and I am not sure 
whether the task you described could be done with it (I didn t check it out). 

But in Nisus (less than $100 – so don t expect precision tables!) which I use mostly 
now, I am proceeding exactly like Geoff: Once build your reference tables (as good 
as it gets), save them in a template file, or copy/paste them as often as you want 
to build an identical table … 

Regards, Heinz. 




2012/05/25, 14:14, Erik Richard Sørensen:

> Hamid Haji wrote:
>> On 25 May 2012, at 07:15, AlanD wrote:
>>> I spent hours yesterday, like you, in Nisus 1.4.2, looking everywhere for the means of converting layout measurements. I eventually found it where I ought to have looked in the first place: Main Nisus Menu/View/Rulers – cm, in, mm, pc, pt.
>> [...]
>> There is a very useful unit converter with NRuler app, which allows the user to see the values of all measurement units - pixels, inches, centimetres, picas, and points - simultaneously as you enter the value of any one unit.
>> http://noutash.com/freebies/nruler/
>> Application menus and shortcuts can be viewed in NRuler's preferences.
>> Unit Convertor is invoked with Command-u.
> 
> Hm... But neither Alans nor NRuler helps here...
> 
> What I was looking for is a possibility to _change_ the colum sizes just by entering a given value, so all tables have same column sizes instead of just dragging column separators left<->right in a table.
> 
> I mostly work with two types of tables
> 1. A 2-column table where column 1 must be 2 cm and the rest  -17 cm - of the page width to column 2.
> 2. A 3-column table where column 1 and 2 must be (apprx.) 8,5cm each and column 3 - again - must be 2 cm
> 
> visualization...
> Table 1: (here 3 independant tables)
> Column 1    Column 2
> xxxxxxxxx   xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Column 1    Column 2
> xxxxxxxxx   xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Column 1    Column 2
> xxxxxxxxx   xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> 
> Table 2
> Column 1               Column 2               Column 3
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx   xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx   xxxxxxxxx
> Column 1               Column 2               Column 3
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx   xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx   xxxxxxxxx
> Column 1               Column 2               Column 3
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx   xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx   xxxxxxxxx
> 
> It doesnot look good that the tables may be showing up like this when they are placed just underneath each others
> Table 1: (here 3 independant tables)
> Column 1    Column 2
> xxxxxxxxx   xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Column 1    Column 2
> xxxxxxxx   xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Column 1    Column 2
> xxxxxxxxxx   xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> 
> It would be very nice to have a feature in 'Table' like the one in 'Column' settings under the text part where you can define the column width in cm/inch as you like it.
> 
> The function of setting a column width in a table is implemented as standard in most other textprocessors like Word Mac/Win, OpenOffice, NeoOffice, LibreOffice and StarOffice Mac/Win.
> 
> In alle those you just click on 'Define Table' -> 'Column Width' and enter a value for each column - click OK/Define - and the columns are set. This you can do for each table in a multi-table document so all tables defined have the exact same with for the columns
> 
> In NWP I enter lot of one-line texts (music library). such a one-line text can hold 3 or more information. Each information separated by a tab-stop. Using the NWP feature 'Convert to Table' will then change the text into a finished table.
> 
> Example:
> 2001    The Art Of Old-Time Mountain Music
>   01    Old Molly Hare    Haywood Blevins
>   02    Old Blind Sow, She Stole The Middlins    John W. Summers
>   03    The High Toned Dance    Glenn Ohrlin
>   04    Po' Black Sheep    Frazier & Patterson
> 
> Using the 'Convert to Table' will make the finished table look like this. Digits 1-4 refer to amount of columns...
> 
> 1   2     3                               4
> 2001      The Art Of Old-Time Mountain Music
>    01    Old Molly Hare                  Haywood Blevins
>    02    Old Blind Sow, She Stole
>          The Middlins                    John W. Summers
>    03    The High Toned Dance            Glenn Ohrlin
>    04    Po' Black Sheep                 Frazier & Patterson
> 
> First raw contains year of release and album title
> Next raws contain (1)empty, (2)track number, (3)track title and (4)artist.
> 
> In this table here the widths are 1=2,0 cm, 2=1,0 cm, 3=8,0 cm, 4=8,0 cm
> 
> In some very old recordings recording year is added after either artist or track title. In this case I add one more tab-stop which adds a column 5=2,0 cm.
> 
> ...But, but...I still have to drag the widths instead of just selecting a 'Define Width' and enter the value.:-(
> 
> OK... There is one solution... I could make the work in OpenOffice - either in OOWriter or OOSpreadSheet, save as OOo template and then re-open in NWP and save as RTF, but I count this as double-work...
> 
> Cheers, Erik Richard
> 
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